Comments on: Are American MFAs a Ponzi Scheme or just ten times better than Canadian MFAs? https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/ Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:16:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.1 By: Elsewhere in the theatrosphere » Praxis Theatre https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-6440 Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:01:34 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-6440 […] from the Peddling of Impractical Degrees: Similar to Mike Daisey’s American MFAs as Ponzi Scheme critique. Botvinik wonders if many US MFA programs would meet the standards of The Gainful Employment Act […]

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By: Michael Wheeler https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-1575 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:39:00 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-1575 Funnily enough, I was about to bring up True and False, but then opted out because Mamet’s pro-war/screw everybody agenda lately has me much less enamored these days.

Nonetheless, discussion of the utility of professional training in as a North American artist can’t really happen outside of the context of his critique i suppose. Even if he did START A THEATRE SCHOOL!

The mercury thing was pretty Mamet vintage though so he’s still got it….

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By: Aaron https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-1574 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:00:00 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-1574 Sounds like Mr. Daisey has been reading Mamet’s True and False.

Education issues aside, I think you’re alluding to a much larger and more serious issue among actors and the greater artist community: poverty. More specifically, our acceptance of it.

Why is it artists believe that they must accept debt and impoverishment in order to be successful? Why do we put our life on hold while we attempt to acheive some sort of greatness? It only leads to misery.

There’s a quote about artists must suffer for their art. Which may be true. Most people don’t realize that the quote continues on to say that one must ensure that the suffering should be as brief as possible. (… er, I’m paraphrasing here…)

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By: Michael Wheeler https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-1573 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:20:00 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-1573 Aaron, you’re totally right that a quantitative analysis of cost can not be applied to a qualitative attribute like the value of an education.

I am certain that my brother and sister and I had a better time at the Raptors game in the nosebleeds than many courtside attendees. The question is deliberately ridiculous and in general I think our education system in Canada is a model of affordable excellence. It is a blessing

Daisey’s Ponzi Scheme has more merit in its analysis of the economics of a corrupted system that is funded by young artists going into massive amounts of debt because they have learned that it is the only/true way to pursue their craft. That being said, you CAN learn a lot in these programs.

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By: MK Piatkowski https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-1572 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:35:00 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-1572 I keep waffling back and forth on the MFA issue. Is it really necessary on a training level? Or has it become necessary because there isn’t as many conservatory programs as there were 30-40 years ago? Is it really worth going into debt to get?

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By: Aaron https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-1571 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:57:00 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-1571 I find it kind of funny that an indie theatre blog would reason that because an American tuition is 4x the size of a Canadian one it means that the quality of the education is 4x as good. Is a Mirvish show 4x as good as a local co-op production just because the tickets are 4x as expensive?

The Canadian system and the American system are like apples and oranges. You need to do an MFA in Acting in the US just to get the equivalent conservatory training from the National Theatre School or the University of Alberta’s BFA program.

I’m totally proud of our education system — even more so because it’s more affordable than US post-secondary, to anyone who has the talent and the dedication to pursue the craft. I think those should be the only determining factors in choosing who should get to attend the programs.

Don’t you?

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By: Michael Wheeler https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-1569 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:21:00 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-1569 Absolutely. The increased funding Canadian institutions receive is the precise reason why schools here are more affordable. (Or just plain affordable.)

In the mind of a 24 year-old recent BA holder looking to train for a career in the theatre, there are some disparate options regardless of their funding levels though. I am conflicted in my own response to this as an American MFA holder in the midst of a Canadian system seem to be a much better deal for artists…

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By: Murph https://praxistheatre.com/2009/02/are-american-mfas-a-ponzi-scheme-or-just-ten-times-better-than-canadian-mfas/comment-page-1/#comment-1568 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:49:00 +0000 https://praxistheatre.com/?p=189#comment-1568 To be fair the price disparity is largely because York receives a great deal more public funding than NYU. If that veil were lifted, I imagine York would jump up to a similar price bracket.

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